tehswordninja wrote:do keep this in mind; does the staff team really need to keep the same level of activity they did back in 2013?
tehswordninja wrote:Eric needs a group who are versed with the site/game on launch; a new, fresh team with no prior knowledge of how staffing worked in PB2 would be at a big disadvantage.
tehswordninja wrote:Last time we did recruitment, nothing came out of it.
tehswordninja wrote:This makes it somewhat clear that we've really run out of new team members at the moment
tehswordninja wrote:I do see the complaints users have about the staff and I'm not ignoring them. I'll see what I can do about all of it
tehswordninja wrote:because I agree in that staff response time should be quicker than it currently is, but do keep this in mind; does the staff team really need to keep the same level of activity they did back in 2013? Times have changed and the number of reports, the size of the community, etc have all shrunk tremendously. This doesn't really excuse cases of inactivity, but I do hope people factor this in when they make posts like this.
ZapruderFilm wrote:No one wants staff that write long essays of complaints on the forums lol.
You all might have noticed that staff members can no longer perform their duties the way they did before. They are quite inactive, they don't check forum reports, they can't find time to check approval section or to finish the staff recruitment they announced 2 months ago. Sometimes they are acting superior to regular users and sometimes they discuss prohibited topics in the chat (p*rn/dr*gs/etc. conversations).
We, as a community, shoud be authorized to decide if we want them in the Staff team of PB3 or not.
Eric will listen to us if we all come to the same or similar conclusion, and so I'm asking you: do you think we should keep the current staff team in PB3 or should we have an entirely new one?
Last time we did recruitment, nothing came out of it. This might be subject to change, but personally, I'm not too sure.
Staff job is super easy. Anyone can learn all the necessary information regarding moderation in less than 1 hour. Don't use this "argument" in your defense.
You had a lot of applicants. Just because your team did not accept anyone doesn't mean that it was a failed recruitment. You scuppered it.
Somewhat "clear"? Where exactly is it clear, can you tell me please? Many good people applied, but you did not accept anyone. And so it makes it "clear" to you, right? You need to clear your eyes. That's what clear here.
You had a few years to do something about it because these issues are not new, but you did not do anything at all. If this is not "ignoring the problem", then I don't know how to call it. What will you do? Tell your friends to be more active and professional? Don't waste your time. I've already tried that.
It's not just about the inactivity/big response time.
Your team talks about p*rn and dr*gs with underage children in the chat, your team shows disrespect and indifference to people who criticize the quality of their work.
Your head moderator called me a jerk twice.
You cannot find 5 minutes to make a simple map fix.
And instead of fixing your behaviour or hiring new professional moderators all you do is talk shit about people who express objective criticism in your address.
You break your own Code of Conduct and don't even worry about it.
I've got 2 official warnings for no real reason and I will not be surprised if I get a third one after you read this message.
Because using the tools is the only thing unprofessional moderator can do.
You will never be able to fix yourselves.
[/quote]Only demotion of the whole Staff team may solve the problems that have accumulated over the years.
No one wants staff that write long essays of complaints on the forums lol.
phsc wrote:when did they break it? calling you a jerk? was it in pb2 directly? even then, define jerk
Hikarikaze wrote:phsc wrote:when did they break it? calling you a jerk? was it in pb2 directly? even then, define jerk
I think you can make a case of staff not following it with these examples:
One word posting: viewtopic.php?f=179&t=20436&p=200019#p200019 and viewtopic.php?f=117&t=22301&p=198926#p198926
Freeposting: viewtopic.php?f=179&t=20436&p=200019#p200024
Hikarikaze wrote:Of course those two rules aren't really important to most people and it's not really recent but they're still rules and it still happened nonetheless. Frankly I think it helps make a bad impression. If staff can do that and get away with it with little to no consequence, it wouldn't make sense for a regular user to face the intended consequences for the same thing. Plus this is a head mod not following simple rules more than once. Anyone in that position should know better or at least be expected to know better.
Hikarikaze wrote:This isn't the first time I've seen a head mod break rules either. Only difference is that consequences were in store that time, so I have expectations of some sort of consistency given that precedence. Great, now I've written a "novella" so I can't wait for this post to be cast aside too
phsc wrote:third case seems to be for a comical reason which i do not consider freeposting but staff seems to consider, zap himself not much but other members yeah, so i think it might be more of a problem within staff, and lack of definition for what freeposting is
ZapruderFilm wrote:No one wants staff that write long essays of complaints on the forums lol.
]Jason Eden wrote:Why do you speak for everyone?
Jason Eden wrote:I would love to have staff who takes things more seriously than you.
Jason Eden wrote:"Long essays", at least, are better than your one-word posts that add no useful content to the forum.
Jason Eden wrote:This is the forum where people should share useful, important and actual information.
Jason Eden wrote:Everything that said here will stay here forever.
Jason Eden wrote:This is the place where people post their maps, tutorials for maps, fan art, unique update ideas, etc. People were always discussing the main and most imporant PB2 events here.
Jason Eden wrote:There is no place for one-word posting and freeposting here. If you want to post useless stuff, then use the chat. Afterall chat is the place where people talk about nothing almost all the time.
Jason Eden wrote:The "complaints" part of your message terrifies me the most. Problems exist and we should talk about them if we want to fix them.
Jason Eden wrote:Instead of listening to other people's complaints and responding to them, you only laugh at them.
Jason Eden wrote:Jesus Christ, how did you even get into the team.
Jason Eden wrote:But no wonder, Doomwrath is the same as you, Tempus visits PB2 like once in a month and Kiriakos just doesn't care.
Jason Eden wrote:I remember times when you guys paid more attention to the problems and to the rules. What happened to you? Or maybe I'm just mistaken and you always have been like this.
Resi wrote:Jason Eden wrote:Kiriakos just doesn't care.
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He's super nice, and whenever I PM him stuff, if he gets the chance he answers and looks into it.
Even if he's usually busy he seems to be a pretty cool guy.
Jason Eden wrote:Resi wrote:Jason Eden wrote:Kiriakos just doesn't care.
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He's super nice, and whenever I PM him stuff, if he gets the chance he answers and looks into it.
Even if he's usually busy he seems to be a pretty cool guy.
I was questioning why ZapruderFilm is still in the team considering him: 1) talking about dr*gs and p*rn with underage children; 2) one word posting and freeposting; 3) insulting regular users; 4) ignoring complaints and people who complain; 5) not paying enough attention to forum moderation and other staff duties. Since administrators are responsible for promoting and demoting people, I assumed they did not demote him because: A) DoomWrath thinks such behaviour is okay considering he is acting the similar way; B) Tempus is inactive; C) Kiriakos either thinks such behaviour is not bad or simply doesn't care about this problem.
Jason Eden wrote:C) Kiriakos either thinks such behaviour is not bad or simply doesn't care about this problem.
eru_ wrote:If zap will be removed from staff then there will be no siegmayer or life forum
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