Do not approve maps like stryde-sniper

[medusahead]

Yes, this is 128000287725th topic about hating on stryde-sniper. Don't be surprised.

Anyway, reason is simple:

Back in the day, when PB2 was a popular game, there were people like Reject who were creating beautiful creative impressive maps of that time. Other creative map makers were inspired by guys like him and started their own map making career and improved even further! Thats how progress works: one guy makes something beautiful and others try to surpass him by making something even better. They were motivated and pushed the creativity train up to this day and place. This is one of the reasons why map making and PB2 were alive for so long - people had things to do and tried to become #1 map maker.

Now, what will happen if you start approving maps like stryde-sniper in PB3:

Map making community creativity and map quality will regress. There will be less people to join the race and improve. People will play the same map 24/7 therefore making ranking segment of MP less popular and filled (like what we had in PB2 before game completely died). You will have one more reason to not play PB3 and leave because the game won't impress you more than PB2 did in time.

Think about it.

[cooce]

I agree with not approving stryde-sniper like maps , a lot of people who play on stryde-sniper get SP only from it , and usually play only on stryde-sniper and some are bad on any other map except stryde
edit: imo there should be a rule for approved maps that there cant be maps small as stryde-sniper and maps should be tested by some "map approvers" group of players to decide is it really good map or another stryde-sniper or something worse

[medusahead]

I agree with not approving stryde-sniper like maps , a lot of people who play on stryde-sniper get SP only from it , and usually play only on stryde-sniper and some are bad on any other map except stryde
edit: imo there should be a rule for approved maps that there cant be maps small as stryde-sniper and maps should be tested by some "map approvers" group of players to decide is it really good map or another stryde-sniper or something worse

Group is a good idea. Perhaps take all creative guys like Ditzy or Lonewolf and let them judge everything?

[cooce]

Group is a good idea. Perhaps take all creative guys like Ditzy or Lonewolf and let them judge everything?

I think they should be chosen by an algorithm , like if map checker is offline he should be excluded from "judging" if map gets approved or not .

imo algorithm should select players by these criteria :
Activity , players who did not play pb2/3 last day are not getting a chance to get into testers team
Map makers with some pretty good level developer rank (idk how high as im not so good at maps and such stuff)
If player doesnt have good level developer rank , he still can be accessed to tester team if he shows interest to approved/ranked matches (if player played ranked/approved more than once per few days?)
Is registered for more than few(1? 2?) months , to prevent pretty new players from judging as they not really know much about maps

Testers group should be just around 30(32 as there are 32 player maps already?) people that change once every week . They get their tester status just for a week and automatically loose tester status after week ends , however , some testers(5(or less) random from these who played pb2/3 last day?) should stay for next week as they have some experience .
Testers should be able to make "testing matches"(which can only be made with maps that have approval request) in which regular players cant join but only spectate.
There should be a limit to map approval requests per week(15? 20?) so testers will have to choose from some maps and not from whole approval request map list . Map makers should be unable to send approval request for more than two of his maps per week . Map makers with low level developer rank should be unable to send approval requests (but still they can ask a moderator or someone else who can put map into approval requests(limit of map approval requests wont do anything here) and he will decide if map should be in map approval request or no)

What do you (and anyone else) think abt this?

[medusahead]

imo algorithm should select players by these criteria :
Activity , players who did not play pb2/3 last day are not getting a chance to get into testers team
Map makers with some pretty good level developer rank (idk how high as im not so good at maps and such stuff)
If player doesnt have good level developer rank , he still can be accessed to tester team if he shows interest to approved/ranked matches (if player played ranked/approved more than once per few days?)
Is registered for more than few(1? 2?) months , to prevent pretty new players from judging as they not really know much about maps

If we take random active people, they would just approve stryde-sniper (because it's a very popular map among them).

If we take people based on level developer rank, then they would just approve stryde-sniper again (Stryde is #1 in Top level developers with 55 level).

So I think only people who created a balanced between visual and triggers impressive maps, that made players go "wow" when seeing them, should be a part of the team. They are either in Top Devs or not, it's not important.

[wires memelord]

Yes, this is 128000287725th topic about hating on stryde-sniper. Don't be surprised.

Anyway, reason is simple:

Back in the day, when PB2 was a popular game, there were people like Reject who were creating beautiful creative impressive maps of that time. Other creative map makers were inspired by guys like him and started their own map making career and improved even further! Thats how progress works: one guy makes something beautiful and others try to surpass him by making something even better. They were motivated and pushed the creativity train up to this day and place. This is one of the reasons why map making and PB2 were alive for so long - people had things to do and tried to become #1 map maker.

Now, what will happen if you start approving maps like stryde-sniper in PB3:

Map making community creativity and map quality will regress. There will be less people to join the race and improve. People will play the same map 24/7 therefore making ranking segment of MP less popular and filled (like what we had in PB2 before game completely died). You will have one more reason to not play PB3 and leave because the game won't impress you more than PB2 did in time.

Think about it.

have you only been going around just hating on every aspect of the game/community?
if you despise the game this much and the changes being made to it just move on, find something else to do with your time.

actually while you're at it you should bring up the degeneracy, that'd be an interesting discussion.

[pb dman]

Dumb idea, dumb time to ask.

1 - Time.
It's way too late to be asking stryde-sniper to be unapproved.
Why?
+ Most - if not all - map makers have moved on from PB2. This means that the quality of maps will always decrease, as there is no competition.
+ Map haven't been approved in years. Staff decided to pull a big lie and claim that they were reworking the approval system. This was - of course - a fib, a lie, a story.

2 - Dumb idea.
stryde-sniper is probably one of the most mechanically complex maps I have ever played in my 7 years of playing PB2. The amount of tricks and gimmicks it has to its name goes unmatched. If you even try comparing it to other maps, like let's say ijer-sector, it is incomparable because unlike ijer-sector it has more to its mechanics than just spamming Q and shooting.

3 - Quit crying.
Map approvals have never been intended to be for creativity. (sadly) They are just an environment to be played for SP and kills. Which is unfortunate because these are the standards that the approval team and the map makers have set down. When will you ever see a complex system in an approved map? Never. It used to be the case for older maps when it was still nice to be innovative like that 1 railwars map where you could teleport into a water dimension of the map and it would transfer you back into the same place in the normal dimension. Things like that may never be the case, because this is the expectations we have from an approval map to be boring, standard and made of clay.

[broforce1]

tbh, i dont know how map approval will work with pb3
hence the new tools that might be needed to create better maps, maybe more requirements will be added to have a map approved, as for stryde sniper, if approved or disapproved it wont really change anything, well maybe it will do better changes hence there will be another newer maps to appear, however, there will be always that 1 or 2 maps that are always preferred and so the rest is ignored, even if stryde sniper map is gone there will be an alternative.

basically its better not to judge how things are going to be in pb3 based on whats going on with pb2 because pb2 right now is almost dying and so map approval team stopped approving maps as well, back then when even stryde sniper existed, people were still making maps and they get em approved, right now we have a very low amount of player count and so we wont even get enough unique players to play more unique maps.

overall, if u want to become 1st map maker then it will require a bit of luck and a lot of smart work, u actually dont have to create maps like "styde sniper" to earn high LDR, so far i havent seen anyone having that big ego to become 1st map maker as i see most of map makers who adds effort to their maps and gets a decent LDr rank seem to be happy enough.