My thoughts on locking your own topic

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Should Original Posters be able to lock their own threads?

Yes, they should be able to lock their own threads.
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Yes, they should be able to lock their own threads.
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No, they should contact the staff team to lock threads.
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No, they should contact the staff team to lock threads.
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby mrblake213 » 26 October 2018, 08:02

Let's just say that the staff doesn't have all the time (I think?) to view reports / lock topics.

And that topic owners should have the permission to lock their own topics since it's technically their own, they should be the one to control when to stop the conversation.

Similar to the Game Master feature, if you want to reply to a topic that was locked by its owner then you are free to recreate the similar topic with your own ideas and thoughts.
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby Incompetence » 26 October 2018, 09:06

personally i find locking topics just because of a different opinion to be funny, but it's annoying to see a topic i wanted to reply to get locked for no reason sometimes. imo users shouldn't have locking permissions on map topics and the like because anyone can leave a map review at any time so those topics can always become active again when it happens as long as the map's around

mrblake213 wrote:And that topic owners should have the permission to lock their own topics since it's technically their own, they should be the one to control when to stop the conversation.

topic owners shouldn't be making topics if they can't handle what will follow them. making a topic means the OP wants to discuss something, cutting the conversation midway for no logical reason defeats the topic creator's purpose because the discussion doesn't go through + it becomes a waste of time for everyone involved
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby lostmydollar » 26 October 2018, 13:32

i also hate it when users are making an announcement kind of topic. it's when they post something like "hey there is a new trigger action in pb2! i found it first! ME! ME! I FOUND IT!!! now you all can use it!" and lock it right after creation. in these moments i regret about existence of moratorium on the death penalty
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby phsc » 26 October 2018, 17:06

oh hey i cant deal with people who dont agree with me

ill call my lovely staff friendos or just lock it because, hmmm, thinking? what is it for?

i dont understand why flaming is a bad thing, ffs its just some virgin on the internet saying things he doesnt understand about who cares

i dont think ever staff should be able to lock posts tho, the only thing staff should do is make so pb2 isnt hacked or ddosed and etc, and just help people that were affected by these things, and remove porn from posts n etc, these are good reasons, and map approval should be based on community votes

uh call me phsc von mises from now on too



and small thing, pb2s best times were when there was no such thing as gamemaster, clan wars were an actual thing, fun things, raiding bases, toxicty is a thing and will always be and pb2 should be no exception to that, the earlier you learn how to ignore it or how to rekt ppl who argue against you, the better
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby Tortoise » 26 October 2018, 21:05

I mean like, asking the mods to lock it is basically just locking it yourself but with extra steps.
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby Protonoid » 27 October 2018, 05:19

Moved to the correct section.

This "fancy little button" was actually implemented to help out the staff itself, not to abuse it in the way mentioned. If you feel it the author just used it when not really required, you may contact the staff to unlock the topic. Also, as blake said, you can create a separate topic expressing your thoughts and continuing the discussion.


phsc wrote:oh hey i cant deal with people who dont agree with me

ill call my lovely staff friendos or just lock it because, hmmm, thinking? what is it for?

i dont understand why flaming is a bad thing, ffs its just some virgin on the internet saying things he doesnt understand about who cares

i dont think ever staff should be able to lock posts tho, the only thing staff should do is make so pb2 isnt hacked or ddosed and etc, and just help people that were affected by these things, and remove porn from posts n etc, these are good reasons, and map approval should be based on community votes

uh call me phsc von mises from now on too



and small thing, pb2s best times were when there was no such thing as gamemaster, clan wars were an actual thing, fun things, raiding bases, toxicty is a thing and will always be and pb2 should be no exception to that, the earlier you learn how to ignore it or how to rekt ppl who argue against you, the better


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And thank you for your opinions, if you have some issues, please feedback in the correct way.
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby phsc » 27 October 2018, 17:08

the interesting part about locking topics and deleting them is that its literally the same thing as when the government kills like a news reporter
but its composed of randoms and not popular and good people from the pb2 community

but what would be the correct way to feedback?

just to stay on the topic, theres a really high amount of posts that are just locked because people dont want to be wrong, little they know that, the only way youre getting better is when you realize you are wrong, which is, always, because in 400 a dude is going to laught at you because you believe in what you believe right now

but i need to agree with incompetence, when people lock topics like niglet did, its really funny, you cant take people like that seriously
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby Incompetence » 27 October 2018, 23:45

Protonoid wrote:Also, as blake said, you can create a separate topic expressing your thoughts and continuing the discussion.

that's just jumping through hoops since it's easier to just get one main topic on a subject open rather than flooding the forums with multiple topics just for one subject (which would get merged anyways so that option doesn't really make sense to begin with)

phsc wrote:but what would be the correct way to feedback?

following a generic template obviously /s
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby ZapruderFilm » 29 October 2018, 21:38

I'd prefer players be able to control their own threads. Do not care to spend the rest of my life locking threads on PB2.
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby Incompetence » 29 October 2018, 23:09

ZapruderFilm wrote:I'd prefer players be able to control their own threads. Do not care to spend the rest of my life locking threads on PB2.

not many threads get made nowadays so it's not such a big deal locking them when necessary as you exaggeratedly make it to be
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby Incompetence » 30 October 2018, 03:11

Resi wrote:
Incompetence wrote:
ZapruderFilm wrote:I'd prefer players be able to control their own threads. Do not care to spend the rest of my life locking threads on PB2.

not many threads get made nowadays so it's not such a big deal locking them when necessary as you exaggeratedly make it to be


Also: They get removed after some time due to the forum's limited space.

i forgot that was a thing. that just makes the latter half of zap's statement more redundant imo
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby Hikarikaze » 31 October 2018, 01:45

The upper levels of staff have control over user locking permissions, so this is just a side effect of that. Technically topics can't belong to the topic creators because the OP can be removed in a topic, making the next post the new original post. By that logic, that next poster now "owns" the topic, so to speak, despite not creating it. When supposed ownership of a topic can change at any time, it's not really right to attribute topic ownership to users/topic creators

Also, no one really has control over subject matters. The forum contains subjects as a platform for discussion; users simply give subjects relevance through said discussion. That's the point of making a topic, therefore no topic belongs to a person here, but the forum itself, since the forum itself is what allows a certain subject to exist here in the first place. It's just up to the users here to decide whether a subject is relevant enough to discuss on, like this for example.

Not sure if that makes sense since I'm not the best at explaining things but TLDR, nobody technically owns a topic/subject here. Instead, we just give certain subjects relevance by creating threads about it.

Protonoid wrote:This "fancy little button" was actually implemented to help out the staff itself, not to abuse it in the way mentioned. If you feel it the author just used it when not really required, you may contact the staff to unlock the topic.

Activity is already abysmal here and your suggestion is to contact the people who barely show themselves here to solve an issue that shouldn't be happening in the first place?

A simpler solution would just be to disable locking permissions for users entirely. If a topic is concluded but it hasn't been locked yet, it'd get removed automatically anyways, and if someone wants to post late to the conversation, they can since necroposting no longer is a thing. For removed topics, if the conversation jump starts again after some time, another topic can just be made and this same process can happen again. At least a conversation can reach some end naturally this way and anyone that wants to contribute has a better chance to do so

I also don't support having a "fancy little button" existing to help the staff when there's people on the staff making statements like this:
ZapruderFilm wrote:I'd prefer players be able to control their own threads. Do not care to spend the rest of my life locking threads on PB2.

It comes off as pure laziness: "Why should I do my job when everyone else can just do it for me?" Locking a topic is not a burden that anyone will be so deeply troubled doing it, and little crutches like these are bound to make staff members inefficient and lazy with this "taken for granted" attitude. Users aren't doing the staff any favors to be locking their own topics
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby ZapruderFilm » 31 October 2018, 05:24

Seems like at this point you're just trying to come up with time consuming pointless things for me to do. If someone wants their topic locked, they can do it themselves.
At most, it might be worth considering disabling this feature in specific boards EG; Tutorials and Questions. This way people can continue to add information after the fact.

And frankly, I don't care if you think I'm lazy. It'd be a waste of my time to do this.
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby Hikarikaze » 31 October 2018, 06:20

The irony that the topic on locking one's own topic will eventually get locked, and because of my role lol

ZapruderFilm wrote:Seems like at this point you're just trying to come up with time consuming pointless things for me to do. If someone wants their topic locked, they can do it themselves.

Seems like at this point you're so bothered by doing anything that requires a fraction of thought, thinking included, but sure, keep trying to come up with ways on how to gloss over genuine concerns. Your contributions are so very valuable to discussions of this caliber

ZapruderFilm wrote:And frankly, I don't care if you think I'm lazy. It'd be a waste of my time to do this.

Don't do it then. Your life isn't coming to an end if you do or don't. No one's holding a gun to your head, so showing your drama skills is a waste of time for everyone. You can save this act for a theater class where people might actually care even a little bit

And for the record frankly, I don't care if it's a waste of time for you but it sure isn't going to kill you the way you whine about something as trivial as checking a box. That fake tough guy attitude will die out quick once that meaningless HM status is gone from you so I suggest you don't act that way with me or anyone for that matter
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby phsc » 31 October 2018, 18:51

and again, the biggest problem i have with this system happens once again

viewtopic.php?f=123&t=22236

oh right, a dude made a post on questions of him wanting to be unbanned, staff doesnt delete or lock it, some friend of him does positive feedback

then i go in and say the truth

he locks it, sends a yt video as a response that is called GTFO by pinkman
you see the maturity level

i cant go in and reply to him as being an hipocrite, he literally said this on his post:
"i'm kind to people i am not an toxic little shit, i don't like cursing"

amazing right
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby ZapruderFilm » 31 October 2018, 19:44

Hikarikaze wrote:And for the record frankly, I don't care if it's a waste of time for you but it sure isn't going to kill you the way you whine about something as trivial as checking a box. That fake tough guy attitude will die out quick once that meaningless HM status is gone from you so I suggest you don't act that way with me or anyone for that matter


I wonder if the next HM will feel the same way. Probably not, seeing as PB2 will likely be dead before there is another HM.
As for, 'tough guy attitude' I would have probably said something similar, regardless of what my rank was. But why so serious Hikarikaze? You seem a bit irritated.
phsc wrote:oh right, a dude made a post on questions of him wanting to be unbanned, staff doesnt delete or lock it, some friend of him does positive feedback

If you need staff action, best way to receive it is to PM a staff.
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby Hikarikaze » 31 October 2018, 23:47

ZapruderFilm wrote:I wonder if the next HM will feel the same way. Probably not, seeing as PB2 will likely be dead before there is another HM.
As for, 'tough guy attitude' I would have probably said something similar, regardless of what my rank was. But why so serious Hikarikaze? You seem a bit irritated.

Is this all the staff can do? Just assume random things about me? It's not hard to respond within the words I wrote since they are simple and straightforward enough that these random conclusions shouldn't even be made

Funny how it's a waste of time to lock a topic for you but you're spending your precious time responding to me and assuming I'm irritated. Nice seeing your priorities are straight enough to set up a double standard
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby phsc » 2 November 2018, 03:15

well, while zap isnt right, id say hes not 100% wrong

its pretty obvious some staff members are superior to others, you dont imagine tempus or eric gurt looking at the forums or website reports even tho i think eric does it from time to time

why cant zap get into that category? isnt the main reason hes a mod cuz he made a bot for the discord and a few forum tutorials? im not sure cuz i didnt see him getting ranks in staff i wasnt active in pb2s community at the time

and well, he does do his bot job, i asked him to add a piece of code and how i was supposed to make it, i made it sent to him it didnt work he fixed it, i think thats his function

as erics is making pb2.5 and tempus... web design? not sure?

what i find ridiculous is the moderation team and the support team, protonoid got his rank by being active a lot in like two or three days, then he got it, a few days of inactivity then does one or two things, right

and then theres the members of staff that just go in to lock posts made by me, incredible, yet the many posts that arent following templates or are in the wrong sections is absurd lately

and then theres guide who i have no idea of what he does but ok

and i wont lie if i was in zaps position here id do the same

even tho i prob wont ever be able to join the staff team, and prob wouldnt want to join it but i think ya got it right

also according to paulstin and dark clan members hes the best pb2 mod
im not kidding http://prntscr.com/ldd9fn ive quit dark clan a while ago but the discord had a few ppl saying hes a good mod

so please consider other views
edit: please consider that i dont know zap very well and this is just a general observation
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Re: My thoughts on locking your own topic

Postby Hikarikaze » 2 November 2018, 18:18

phsc wrote:why cant zap get into that category? isnt the main reason hes a mod cuz he made a bot for the discord and a few forum tutorials? im not sure cuz i didnt see him getting ranks in staff i wasnt active in pb2s community at the time

and well, he does do his bot job, i asked him to add a piece of code and how i was supposed to make it, i made it sent to him it didnt work he fixed it, i think thats his function

Head mods are supposed to be more than just one trick wonders, that's why. Making a few tutorials and making a Discord bot both aren't enough to warrant getting the position let alone being a staff in general

Resi wrote:Is that the case? He could be moved to Contributors then.

That's a more suitable idea.
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