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Storyline inconsistency?

Postby TerminatorRex » 14 February 2018, 01:14

In chapter 1 of Forward to the past, it says that "You hit at the right time, but in the wrong place", implying that the marine and noir were sent back in time successfully but ended up on another planet instead of Earth.

In PB2 when the marine first encounters proxy, she mentions that "two volunteers were sent back in time". How could she possibly know this if they were sent back to this time in the first place? The marine and noir lime didn't even exist here originally.

Or else the "You hit at the right time, but in the wrong place" statement is false and they did not travel back in time, and that's what they are all trying to do in the end (get to the time machine)
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Re: Storyline inconsistency?

Postby lrv » 14 February 2018, 13:02

That dialouge has been removed you know? And probably cleaning the CS base of the androids or destroying the Usurpation shelter could save everything? Or Noir Lime had done something with the Falkoks to correct the timeline?
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Re: Storyline inconsistency?

Postby TerminatorRex » 14 February 2018, 14:07

lrv wrote:That dialouge has been removed you know? And probably cleaning the CS base of the androids or destroying the Usurpation shelter could save everything? Or Noir Lime had done something with the Falkoks to correct the timeline?

This dialogue is in level 37 and is still there, you just need to stand in the starting position for a while or else it will stop.
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Re: Storyline inconsistency?

Postby ustopable » 14 February 2018, 14:53

I’m pretty sure the word “Right time but wrong place” literally means they landed in some kind of moon outside of Earth? I’m not sure if its Earth but since they’re trying to stop the Usurpation Forces invasion and its already happening then meaning the planet you’re going to is the planet you’re trying to save.

By the word “Right Time but wrong place” means that he should have made it in an area somewhere important maybe the current location of the Time Machine or the Correction Nine area but not in the Moon of the world. The Marine and Noir Lime did exist during that time and at the same time the process of sending Marine and Noir Lime is currently happening and Proxy knows about it since it happened recently. The best question is why Proxy knows about it?

Additionally i’m not sure but the Marine in PB2 is different from the Marine in the Moon since there is only one Falkon Ship that is available and the one who rode it is Noir Lime. You can take a hint about it since if the Marine actually found another ship then Noir Lime should have landed first but not landed last making the current Marine have no idea what happened.
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Re: Storyline inconsistency?

Postby Eric Gurt » 14 February 2018, 20:50

Story in PB:FTTP was described from protagonist's point of view. At the moment of PB:FTTP events he wasn't sure whether they hit in future or in past. They were supposed to be sent back in time but it didn't happen between PB:FTTP and PB2.
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Re: Storyline inconsistency?

Postby tehswordninja » 14 February 2018, 21:09

From my understanding, in the first game you are supposed to go into the past (to stop the usurpations, somehow?), but this does not happen, and instead they are sent further into the future where Correction Nine is gone and the Usurpations have either invaded or are currently doing so (which judging by the Main Menu it looks like they are just now doing so, but who knows).

Due to this error, Proxy knows they were sent (well, supposed to be sent) back into time, as they were actually sent to the future.

Proxy is likely saying "the right time" in regards to herself. She likely couldn't have held out on her own for long, and especially against those Corvettes.
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Re: Storyline inconsistency?

Postby TerminatorRex » 15 February 2018, 01:12

These are all pretty good explanations. I suppose here's my final analysis of the storyline:

1) Humanity experiments with long-range teleportation.
One of these experiments helped the Usurpation Forces pinpoint the exact location of Earth. They began their invasion, and Earth was "almost completely destroyed" as said in the opening of FttP. Maybe the fake PB2.5 main menu screen is related to this as it featured Earth with a huge hole blown through it to the core?

2) This nearby planet in FttP could be either Mars, Venus or the Moon.
Supporting the "it's the Moon" argument is this screen from Level 1 of FttP: https://imgur.com/GT5rvYp
Here, the dark nearby planet is VERY close to the Earth, suggesting in fact that the Marine travels back to a time right when the Moon is at its closest to Earth point in its elliptic orbit (sort of like a supermoon but not necessarily one). This also refutes the claim that it could be either Mars or Venus, since the view of Earth from either planet would simply be a white, star-like dot

Supporting the "it's Mars/Venus" argument is the fact that during gameplay, the outside areas of the base feature a reddish, rocky desert together with a blue sky with some clouds etc. Normally the sky wouldn't be blue on Mars (you probably won't be able to see part your forearm on Venus) which suggest terraforming works happened sometime in the past (before the invasion).

On the other hand, it could be that the base was located on the terraformed Mars/Venus, and in addition the planet was artificially shifted out of orbit towards Earth and kept there as a new satellite. Even in real life scientists think that this could be possible (this garbage article is my only source on this: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1380994).

In this case, it would be illogical for the planet to be anything other than Mars or Venus as the work required to shift any other planet would be much greater shifting the aforementioned planets Or the nearby planet could just be a terraformed moon now able to support an atmosphere etc.

3) Correction Nine was established.
The original base on the nearby planet could be where Correction Nine was based (also it could have been constructed by C9). This could possibly be where the protagonists started their mission after earth was destroyed (where they were time travelled from).

He knew that he was supposed to be transported back in time and land on Earth, but he still ended up on the lunar planet of the roof of the same base.

Eric Gurt wrote:Story in PB:FTTP was described from protagonist's point of view. At the moment of PB:FTTP events he wasn't sure whether they hit in future or in past. They were supposed to be sent back in time but it didn't happen between PB:FTTP and PB2.


So the chapter texts in FttP are directed towards the player (you) by the Marine himself, narrated from his point of view.

According to this the Marine was aware that something went wrong during time travel. "At the right time, but in the wrong place" means that he was supposed to also be teleported to Earth during time travel but went nowhere (considering they time travelled from the same base on the nearby planet). In FttP, the Marine says he hit at the right time, but Eric Gurt says he was unsure whether they were sent into the past or the future.

4) They were sent into the past successfully
If this happened, then all they needed to do was get to Earth in time to stop the experiments and save Earth. They magically appeared in the base (seperated from one another and their equipment) and were considered hostile by the security force. They are most likely not Correction Nine guards, as C9 was obviously established after the invasion. This suggests that the base was not originally built or owned by C9, and these guards belong to a different company.

The two heavily armed individuals fight their way through the base and meet up near their land rover/buggy. On the way to the Falkok base they are attacked by a bunch of drones (when shot they bleed yellow like the grubs, suggesting they are also specially grown TCoRR cyborgs belonging to either the human guards or the Falkoks, who are "just trying to keep their base safe" (viewtopic.php?f=117&t=17870). The two storming the Falkok base could also provoke conflict and disrupt the peace between humans and the Falkoks

Once they finally get to the red Falkok ship, the Marine leaves Noir Lime behind, saying "this is not goodbye". He travels to Earth in the ship. Possibly, this is shown in the main menu of PB2.

tehswordninja wrote:judging by the Main Menu it looks like they are just now doing so [Usurpation forces are invading]


This is possible. Many yellow ships (probably usurpers) are shown flying to Earth. Maybe the mass of yellow ships is the invasion happening and the Marine is too late. He ejects in a life capsule and lands somewhere in a base controlled by Civil security (could be private security contractors or an military-cops mix like the civil protection from Half-life 2. In this case, how does Proxy know who they were or who these aliens are etc? Why are they going to the "wide teleport" time machine in the end? Maybe to retry and go even further back in time? In this case, how did they know that a time machine would be here? Where did it come from?

5) They were sent into the future
If they were transported forward in time, C9 was shut down after the course of events was not corrected. The human security force in FttP belong to someone who could have reacquired that base after C9. When the Marine finally leaves for Earth, how come it is still there in the first place? It was "almost completely destroyed". If the planet itself was not actually blown apart like in the fake PB2.5 main menu screen, maybe what was meant by this was that all of the major cities, structures and the whole of civilization was destroyed. The remnants of civilization are controlled by the Civil security which are hostile to the armed intruder. In this case (same as before), how did they know that a time machine would be at the end? Is this time machine the same one that was used by Correction nine but moved back to Earth?
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